Demo cdrs or tapes?

Well its year 2006 now, and demo cdrs seem to be slowley taking over demo cassettes.

I understand that cdrs can be burned in a computer which is a definte advantage. I really like trading one master cdr+ covers. Plus cdrs are cheaper to send in the mail.

But personally, I like the looks of cassettes, the way the feel and even sound. For some reason demo cdrs seem "cold" to me and demo cassettes feel "warm" to me.

I perfer cassettes becasue they make me feel young and warm.

What about you guys?

It doesn't really matter anymore for me, each band releases what he can.

Tapes become quite out of price in France, unless you visit the open-air markets during the week end (where you could also buy tomatoes and cheap underwears)

gabalgabow wrote:

It doesn't really matter anymore for me, each band releases what he can.

Tapes become quite out of price in France, unless you visit the open-air markets during the week end (where you could also buy tomatoes and cheap underwears)

How much do tapes go for in France now for good qualities?

Here in Canada, its about $1.15 cdn now per tape. For Maxell or Sony.

Keekee: Were you the one to dumbly vote "What are cassettes" ?

worshipsatanzine wrote:

How much do tapes go for in France now for good qualities?

Here in Canada, its about $1.15 cdn now per tape. For Maxell or Sony.

If you visit the supermarkets, and any oher kind of Hi-Fi store a Sony tape would cost around 1,50 euros each.
And they do not sell anymore the packs of more than 3 tapes, so the total price can't decrease...

If you visit the markets during week end, a tape can cost a bit less than 1 euro, that's totally Ok for me.

gabalgabow wrote:

Keekee: Were you the one to dumbly vote "What are cassettes" ?

:gnahahah:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

gabalgabow wrote:

Keekee: Were you the one to dumbly vote "What are cassettes" ?

:gnahahah:

Ah! I wasn't the one to have my first release on CDr!!

My first release was on paper :sarcastic:

gabalgabow wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

gabalgabow wrote:

Keekee: Were you the one to dumbly vote "What are cassettes" ?

:gnahahah:

Ah! I wasn't the one to have my first release on CDr!!

My first release was on paper :sarcastic:

I have yet to release a cassette Gab!

But I perfer tapes!

I'm a fucked up guy, I know! :lol!:

I definitely have spent many hours appreciating demo and non demo cassettes. I still think they sound better than cds until you wear them out. Lately I have come to appreciate CDrs. I prefer CDrs now.

Platoon wrote:

I definitely have spent many hours appreciating demo and non demo cassettes. I still think they sound better than cds until you wear them out. Lately I have come to appreciate CDrs. I prefer CDrs now.

Yeah I have worn some tapes right to the ground. But some tapes seem indestructable I have a old MEGADETH tape that I made in the early 90's still plays fine. It's even all cracked to shit and held together buy tape haha

Recentally, Korey from ROTTING sent me a old D.R.I.-"4 of a kind" tape that is from 1988, it is so used that there is yellow stains on the cover, I guess he had it hanging up in his bedroom hehe It plays fine thou!


That's the thing about cdrs, you can't throw them across the room, drop them etc.

tapes seem stronger then cdrs :strong:

cd-rs are so much easier for me, however i have never released anything on a cassette before. well at least not yet...

worshipsatanzine wrote:

But personally, I like the looks of cassettes, the way the feel and even sound. For some reason demo cdrs seem "cold" to me and demo cassettes feel "warm" to me.

I perfer cassettes becasue they make me feel young and warm.

What about you guys?

most audiophiles agree with you

a magnetic tape has a very typical natural compression many numeric plug-ins can hardly emulate. this compression gives the subtle illusion that the music sounds tighter, more compact, heavier. digital formats tend to "separate" the instruments. that's obvious when you compare digitally remastered classics to their original versions. even more obvious when you compare modern digital recordings to older albums.

Tigi wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

But personally, I like the looks of cassettes, the way the feel and even sound. For some reason demo cdrs seem "cold" to me and demo cassettes feel "warm" to me.

I perfer cassettes becasue they make me feel young and warm.

What about you guys?

most audiophiles agree with you

a magnetic tape has a very typical natural compression many numeric plug-ins can hardly emulate. this compression gives the subtle illusion that the music sounds tighter, more compact, heavier. digital formats tend to "separate" the instruments. that's obvious when you compare digitally remastered classics to their original versions. even more obvious when you compare modern digital recordings to older albums.

Interesting. So this is why so many death/thrash metal releases from the 80's on tape sound so god damn heavy then, but their re-releases on cdr seem to sound "watered down".

Are you in the recording business Tigi? You seem to know alot about this stuff!

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Interesting. So this is why so many death/thrash metal releases from the 80's on tape sound so god damn heavy then, but their re-releases on cdr seem to sound "watered down".

yeah, totally. I've read inties of guys like Mille Petrozza complaining about the dynamics loss due to digital treatment on old stuff like Pleasure To Kill. I definitely would like to hear the vynil version of this album.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Are you in the recording business Tigi? You seem to know alot about this stuff!

nope. I owe my modest knowledge to Audiofanzine and the monster brains who post on the audio discussions forums

Yeah old lp's sound fucking great! I only buy old lps for my personal collection these days, and I never buy re-mastered cds of thrash/death metal for my personal collection.

Cd's also sound too modern for those bands that are new and trying to capture a 80's feel. They woul dbe best off releasing tapes/vinyls only imo because of the reasons listed above by Tigi.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Yeah old lp's sound fucking great! I only buy old lps for my personal collection these days, and I never buy re-mastered cds of thrash/death metal for my personal collection.

It’s not always the case. Last year I bought the first 6 Black Sabbath albums remastered on CD, and it’s simply the best sound I’ve ever heard. Pure listening delight, simply brilliant!!! It has been done really professionally, not like Slayer’s ‘Show No Mercy’ remaster which is terrible imo. It all depends how it’s done. Yes, early digital recorders had a very cold rendering. But the later generations are making huge improvements in technology and connectique (?) with tube preamps and compressors compatibility. In a near future, analog tape recorders will become definitely obsolete, they’re already no longer manufactured, and spare parts for the old gear are getting out of price. It’s going to end up being collector stuff for old fashioned maniacs ‘cause it’s far more expensive, not as reliable and currently being surpassed in quality, even in dynamics and sound warmth.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Cd's also sound too modern for those bands that are new and trying to capture a 80's feel. They woul dbe best off releasing tapes/vinyls only imo because of the reasons listed above by Tigi.

It’s not simply a format issue. You can have warmth or rawness with a CD too. But the music must had been recorded for this purpose in the first place, not like remastered old albums. The sound engineer decides it, but it’s a problem for labels who often decline a product on several formats, regular CDs, limited LPs, tapes, or even radio. That’s why on some EPs or singles B-sides you can see a song called ‘Radio mix’ or ‘radio edit’. This version is specifically compressed and mastered to sound no too much different of the rest of the airplays.

Tapes dont break when you sit/sneeze/bite them. CD-rs do. The only problem is when you have a pile of tapes without labels on them.

If you find it hard to find tapes, look in skips outside hi-fi stores for them. Its skummy, but I got about 100 in one. And a pack of butter.

christkum wrote:

Tapes dont break when you sit/sneeze/bite them. CD-rs do. The only problem is when you have a pile of tapes without labels on them.

If you find it hard to find tapes, look in skips outside hi-fi stores for them. Its skummy, but I got about 100 in one. And a pack of butter.

Hi,
What is a "Skip" exactly?
And was is to be skummy?

I don't speak english everydays, and a good tape-tip is always welcome

gabalgabow wrote:

christkum wrote:

Tapes dont break when you sit/sneeze/bite them. CD-rs do. The only problem is when you have a pile of tapes without labels on them.

If you find it hard to find tapes, look in skips outside hi-fi stores for them. Its skummy, but I got about 100 in one. And a pack of butter.

Hi,
What is a "Skip" exactly?
And was is to be skummy?

I don't speak english everydays, and a good tape-tip is always welcome

I couldn't even tell you what "skip" or "skummy means. hehe

I'm curious to know as well.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

[I couldn't even tell you what "skip" or "skummy means. hehe I'm curious to know as well.

Don't you speak english in everydays life Keegan?

gabalgabow wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

[I couldn't even tell you what "skip" or "skummy means. hehe I'm curious to know as well.

Don't you speak english in everydays life Keegan?

I only speak to satan in everyday life :sarcastic:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

I only speak to satan in everyday life :sarcastic:

I meant Canadian speak mostly english, right?
Or is there another dialect?

gabalgabow wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

I only speak to satan in everyday life :sarcastic:

I meant Canadian speak mostly english, right?
Or is there another dialect?

Some Canadians speak inbred or English, eh!

Yeah man, Canada is mainly english speakers. BUT, if you go to Quebec, alot of the people can't speak english there as they are french. Montreal has alot of french people as well, but alot of them can speak english as they take it longer in school I believe.

There is some english speaking Canadians thou, that are VERY hard to understand, they almost have accents according to some people.

in France we like to make fun of the french-canadian's accent and sayings :arrow:

Tigi wrote:

in France we like to make fun of the french-canadian's accent and sayings :arrow:

haha I bet! Are french Canadians hard to understand or something?

I guess they might be, eh?