DOWNLOADING?

What do you guys think?

Is downloading killing the sales of underground artists "pro cd" sales?

I find it harder and harder to move "pro cds" these days & its not like im excatley selling cds at ripp off prices. Is the death of pro cds in the underground near? Is CDr the solution? I think so

The only stuff SFM Distro moves these days or the majority I should say is black metal demo tapes, the occasional vinyl, and noize cdrs.

I sell the odd death metal demo tape or cdr but not as often as I would like to.

it's no wonder...sales go down everywhere including metal, I don't believe that argument about the metalheads being more passionate thus buying more to support the bands they like.

I know young people, in their 18-19s, who've NEVER bought a single CD. I guess the next generations won't even remember that music had to be bought and listened on a physical support. as for vynyl and tapes.......

I do think downloading just killed it in a much more harmful way than CD ripping before that.

Tigi wrote:

I do think downloading just killed it in a much more harmful way than CD ripping before that.

CD ripping isn't sooo bad because at least someone actually had to purchase the original copy and then pass it on to a friend or whatever to rip. Like the tape trading era, which didn't hurt the underground at all as flyers were always passed with trades etc.

People that NEVER buy original copies of tapes/cds and just download, download for sure are fucking over all the bands that they supposdly like.

I THINK IT IS A MATTER OF PASSION... IF YOU WANT AN ORIGINAL RELEASE, WITH THE BOOKLET (AND SEEING THIS AS A TOTAL FAN, TRYING TO MEMORIZE THE LYRICS, WHILE A SONG IS SOUNDING...), TO HAVE THE STUFF ON YOUR HANDS, YOU WILL GET IT !!!

I THINK MP3 DOWNLOADING COULD BE OK TO KNOW SOME SOUNDS AND AFTER GO FOR THE ORIGINAL...

AS I SAID IT IS A MATTER OF PASSION... OF COURSE ALL OF THOSE WHO DON'T KNOW WHAT IS METAL PASSION, WON'T KNOW ABOUT WHAT THE FUCCK I'M TELLING...

MP3 NEVER WILL BE AS EQUAL OF AN ORIGINAL /OFFICIAL STUFF IN YOUR HANDS...

PD: BUY ORIGINAL, OR WHAT THE FUCK SOME STUFF GOT BY TRADE... IT IS A MATTER OF FEELING...

JC MORBID wrote:

PD: BUY ORIGINAL, OR WHAT THE FUCK SOME STUFF GOT BY TRADE... IT IS A MATTER OF FEELING...

I agree....There is a huge difference feeling wise to a mp3 download in comparison to a LP vinyl record.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

JC MORBID wrote:

PD: BUY ORIGINAL, OR WHAT THE FUCK SOME STUFF GOT BY TRADE... IT IS A MATTER OF FEELING...

I agree....There is a huge difference feeling wise to a mp3 download in comparison to a LP vinyl record.

That's why I strictly download Mp3s that were ripped directly from vynils! They have a more old school flavor!

gabalgabow wrote:

That's why I strictly download Mp3s that were ripped directly from vynils! They have a more old school falivr!

Do they have that crispy feeling and the occasional pop to them?

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Do they have that crispy feeling and the occasional pop to them?

Of corpse...

If I first dub the vynil on tape, and then convert the tape as Mp3s, I can get a double old school flavor: The tapes' noise and the vynils crisps...

:danse:

A Christian mp3 player.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

A Christian mp3 player.

Nice, you can switch one in your ass, and the second one in your girlfriend's...

gabalgabow wrote:

Nice, you can switch one in your ass, and the second one in your girlfriend's...

:beuleud:

Your ass is looking terribly big these days.... And you appear to have developed two big boils on the end of them!

Apokalyptic Raids managed to put in crackles and pops on their Return of Satanic Rites CD. Whilst the quality of CDs in the first few years wasn't very good (ie Obsessed by Cruelty, the vinyl was waaay superior to the CD version.), these days it's quite the opposite, and the only way to get a decent vinyl is on the thick 180gram ones.

I'll download stuff that it's impossible to get ahold of for a reasonable price (old NWOBHM EPs, old demos that sell for $50+ on ebay....). Downloading anything that's easily available is ridiculous though.

The only way I've been able to get rid of cds is by ebaying them or constantly running specials. I am almost of of stock on cds. It's got to the point that I will only carry my releases and tape and vinyl. Nobody buys anything else. I've pondered closing the distro period...but when the occasional show comes around, I am able to move the merchandise a little easier....

Fucking mp3s. I actually wish a lot of bands would do what some of these corporate assholes are doing and put the anti-copy on their material. I wonder if that would force people to buy instead of leech.

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

The only way I've been able to get rid of cds is by ebaying them or constantly running specials. I am almost of of stock on cds. It's got to the point that I will only carry my releases and tape and vinyl. Nobody buys anything else. I've pondered closing the distro period...but when the occasional show comes around, I am able to move the merchandise a little easier.....

I know how ya feel my friend. I barely ever move cds, as I stated above. CDR's have been selling a bit these days at SFM as I keep costs low and alot of good stuff is only released on CDR format for obvious reasons, lack of funding for "pro" cds I assume. Tapes sell well, always will, they are by far the most superior format for musick. Vinyls great, but scratches in time and defintally not good to play when drinking beers/eating pizza.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

The only way I've been able to get rid of cds is by ebaying them or constantly running specials. I am almost of of stock on cds. It's got to the point that I will only carry my releases and tape and vinyl. Nobody buys anything else. I've pondered closing the distro period...but when the occasional show comes around, I am able to move the merchandise a little easier.....

I know how ya feel my friend. I barely ever move cds, as I stated above. CDR's have been selling a bit these days at SFM as I keep costs low and alot of good stuff is only released on CDR format for obvious reasons, lack of funding for "pro" cds I assume. Tapes sell well, always will, they are by far the most superior format for musick. Vinyls great, but scratches in time and defintally not good to play when drinking beers/eating pizza.

Only Analog Is Real...

There are a lot of good points here. I think that I would add that the economies in North America, ie: Canada and the USA, are not in the best of shape right now. There are not that many jobs around in Canada and jobs are disappearing in the States right now. People in the States are losing their homes because of their fucking idiot government. Canada is a bit better but not much. When people go through tough times, they tend to try and save money where they can. Unfortunately that means less disposable income for luxuries like music.

I think pro cds should be cheaper. I know this is not fucking easy, especially since the economy is bad. When the economy is good, it will cost less to make pro cds because there will be more people willing to spend and buy greater numbers of cds. For now, I think there needs to be some sort of in between.

I have made a few DIY cdr releases and it was very time consuming, just making the CDrs, let alone writing and recording the music. My cdrs have pretty much sold out and are now in their 2nd and 3rd generation of download copies. I couldn't make enough for everyone so it does not bother me that the cdrs sold out and now people are sharing them on their blogs.

The economic big picture is not good right now. Hopefully things will change and the pendulum will swing. The economy is cyclical so maybe it will just take some time. Maybe I am way off. Who knows.

Dead on Platoon. Cost of gas on the never ending rise, food is more expensive, everything really is getting more expensive. As for lack of good jobs, you can say that again, heer in Toronto most basic factory jobs are via temp services, which isn't good at all for many reasons. As each year goes on , more people are going to shcool for a trade, and then not being able to find work in the trade frield they studied. Not cool.

Personally, I can only see the economy get worse due to both Canada and espically USA having fucked up goverments.

i've dl macrodex demos, obituary 92 live, sabbat "dreamweaver", asphyx old ep etc etc..tons of unfindable stuffs...

anyone heard about deezer.com ? it's the audio equivalent to youtube (streaming only, 100% legal). well you won't find everything there but it's not bad for a start.

I think we all agree about the pro CDs price...except that Europe is in a much worse economical state than N.A.

life is debt
...is death
...is dead

Tigi wrote:

...except that Europe is in a much worse economical state than N.A.

you couldn't be more wrong TG...US are facing a huge crisis, real estate prces have drop by 15% over a yer in average, state is rescuing banks and mortage agencies....US economic system is based on debt (be it at the state or at the people level)...and when it hurts...it hurts bad !

of corpse europe is going to suffer from that

we'll all end up like japan...

tradeforall wrote:

you couldn't be more wrong TG...US are facing a huge crisis, real estate prces have drop by 15% over a yer in average, state is rescuing banks and mortage agencies....US economic system is based on debt (be it at the state or at the people level)...and when it hurts...it hurts bad !

of corpse europe is going to suffer from that

we'll all end up like japan...

I have family in the US and they're not doing that bad...my 17 year old cousin still likes to drive around just for the sake of burning gas, something no one can afford here...

and the fuckin CAC40 keeps droping into the red almost everyday even when the US are green

cac40 is not life TG, listen to the latest Carla Bruni record to see life in pink !

since it was given to all the government ministers by carla herself i hope they'll aply a hapy pink politic after their vacation

tradeforall wrote:

cac40 is not life TG, listen to the latest Carla Bruni record to see life in pink !

since it was given to all the government ministers by carla herself i hope they'll aply a hapy pink politic after their vacation

no thanks I'll stick to Bark at the moon :mrgreen:

tigth leather pants uber alles