Ancient Horns - maybe ripoff

PANZERHAILZ,

ANCIENT HORNS -ETERNAL VENGEANCE DEMO IS AVAILABLE IN PRO PRINTED CD-R.

3 TRACKS OF RAW FAST MELODIC BLACK /DEATH METAL FROM PHILIPPINES

TRADES ARE MORE WELCOME: ZINES, MAGS,BANDS AND DISTRIBUTIONS FOR WHOLESALE PRICES.

SPLIT AND COMPILATION OFFERS ARE ALSO WELCOME

limited 333 copies!!

PLEASE CHECK ADDRESS BELOW FOR MUSIC SAMPLER

myspace.com/ancienthorns


PM OR EMAIL : bondemon@lycos.com
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So this band contacted me and doesnt wanna trade, only wants money for their cdr @ this cost:

5$ USD EACH(pro printed cd-r) MINIMUM OF 15 PCS.
4$ USD EACH(pro printed cd-r) MINIMUM OF 30 PCS
2$ USD EACH((pro printed cd-r)MINIMUM OF 50 PCS

POSTAGE ANYWHERE ON THE GLOBE .
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Seems kinda fishy, what do you guys think?

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Seems kinda fishy, what do you guys think?

I think only trade is real... And these wholesale prices doesn't sound like wholesales but normal prices...

gabalgabow wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Seems kinda fishy, what do you guys think?

I think only trade is real... And these wholesale prices doesn't sound like wholesales but normal prices...

for PRO cds...Hes offering pro printed cds!

Also, his original add says he is looking for traders, but he doesn't want to trade.....and expects people to buy 50 of the same cdr?

Seems fishy! :irke:

wow.... it surprised me . i suggest you will go back to metal archives board where we've met and do some 24/7 research for me , you can also check my username "turboeye" on the good traders list as well as in the traders feedback center. :lol!: , in case if you're still not satisfied on a bottle of milk, you can ask these traders ONE BY ONE.

talk to you in the archives board, i don't want to go back on this forum full of fortune tellers.. goodluck to all of you

(also i don't do a trade with items i don't like so pls. excuse me for that)

GOOD TRADES WITH :

igor
loiro
galsam
destructSEAN
bassethornmusic
tiamat
throne of ahaz
metalbrain
shadownine
goat_lord
valgrinder
the antagonist
forbinator
julian forbes
kempshall mCandrew
synthetic effigy
John antich
d. freeman
sirholm
lord domitian
tantalus
wolfhead
naughty panda13
locustfurnace/skippy
megalowho
PatrickBateman/bestial-warlust
vermino
orionmetalhead
chaosmonger
BreedingtheSpawn
CMFlesh
third of storms
ralfman
p41nk1ll3r
morholt
Suechtler
Madcow
:beuleud: :beuleud:

MAYBE is the keyword and by providing a list of screen names you just prooved why we question the great traders from the Phillippines!

bondemon wrote:

(also i don't do a trade with items i don't like so pls. excuse me for that)

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ALSO, may I add that I never showed you my trade list. Or that you didn't even ask to see my trade list. So how can I excuse you for that when you don't even know what items I have for trade?

:execution:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

bondemon wrote:

(also i don't do a trade with items i don't like so pls. excuse me for that)

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ALSO, may I add that I never showed you my trade list. Or that you didn't even ask to see my trade list. So how can I excuse you for that when you don't even know what items I have for trade?

:execution:

viewing your website is not impossible since they are attached with your post. your releases might be your tradelist and i refuse to trade simply because i had already a copy of some paganfire release and i'm not totally interested with your other releases. paganfire is from philippines and it is not impossible for me to own a copy

feel free to go back in the metal archives board and i'll prove you everything you need. sending references with their usernames is still acceptable as long as they are registered in a highly reliable forum. well for new internet kiddies, i don't know if you will understand the whole thing.

i think i'd explain my part here and i hope you will not post anything negative which you didn't prove yet. of course,philippines may smell fishy on trades but you must consider some true dedicated traders from the scene who build back the essence of true underground trading.

i hope it make a sense to you

bondemon wrote:

viewing your website is not impossible since they are attached with your post. your releases might be your tradelist and i refuse to trade simply because i had already a copy of some paganfire release and i'm not totally interested with your other releases. paganfire is from philippines and it is not impossible for me to own a copy

Yes, your right but you still refused to trade with me without seeing my trade list! I assume you checked my site out afterwords perhaps?

Next I come across your trade list here and you have BURZUM cds and other expensive ones. Makes me wonder. But no mention of your bands cdr for trade.

Sure, message board users can be good references but they also don't usually have a website/distro etc so its really ONLY safe trading wise on THAT Board, not the underground as a whole!!!

What labels have bought 50 demo cdrs at one time from you?

worshipsatanzine wrote:

bondemon wrote:

viewing your website is not impossible since they are attached with your post. your releases might be your tradelist and i refuse to trade simply because i had already a copy of some paganfire release and i'm not totally interested with your other releases. paganfire is from philippines and it is not impossible for me to own a copy

Yes, your right but you still refused to trade with me without seeing my trade list! I assume you checked my site out afterwords perhaps?

Next I come across your trade list here and you have BURZUM cds and other expensive ones. Makes me wonder. But no mention of your bands cdr for trade.

Sure, message board users can be good references but they also don't usually have a website/distro etc so its really ONLY safe trading wise on THAT Board, not the underground as a whole!!!

What labels have bought 50 demo cdrs at one time from you?

1.i've checked your website before i refused and said not to trade.

2.burzum cd's posted in this forum was long time ago(SEPTEMBER 20, 2007), pls. check the date before you open your mouth kiddie, i still have your so called-"EXPENSIVE burzum copies" in my own collection but posting pictures here is not worth spending my time.

3.how did you assumed that all of the board users/traders doesn't have website/distro?trading isn't called underground ?common' poor boy..

4. offering 50 copies of pro cd-r was only an offer and it was only given to you at 2$ each as a distribution so i guess it would be a good price .

5. i should say that it would be my last reply since i found you a very retarded person and obviously wasting my time.

6. accepting your mistakes will make you a better person rather than giving a bad reputation/insulting to underground bands which did nothing to you. failure to prove anything rip-off is also failure for you to live your life bastard.

7. for all of you reading this topic ,support the true essence of underground and don't let it be ruin by any self proclaimed "kult" internet kiddies.

ALL SPACE ARE YOURS...DO YOUR JOB!!!!!!!!!!

bondemon wrote:

3.how did you assumed that all of the board users/traders doesn't have website/distro?trading isn't called underground ?common' poor boy..

Ok. Tell me what their distros are called.

I checked the M.A. board....wow, you did what, 9 sucessfull trades on THAT board amongst other board users so I am supposed to trust you enough for me to send you $100 for 50 cdrs of a band that I nor anyone else has really even heard?

You made a foolish offer that NO ONE in the underground would even think of considering being, 50 cdrs of the SAME demo at $2 each

Which lead me to think this is a POSSIBLE Rip-Off! :beuleud:

Please notice this "Bon demon" guy lives in Davao City Philippines.

He awaken my interest when I receive the folowwing message:
"FUCK OFF!! DON'T SEND ME YOUR LIST OF GARBAGE CD'S "

As an answer to the distro list I sent... Exclusively to peoples registered on this board (lolx2)

Enoguh said (lol)

Yup. He's a Rip-Off.......It's rather fuckin obvious!

worshipsatanzine wrote:

Yup. He's a Rip-Off.......It's rather fuckin obvious!

I've actually had no issues with him. He's pretty reliable.

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

I've actually had no issues with him. He's pretty reliable.

What did you trade with him?

worshipsatanzine wrote:

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

I've actually had no issues with him. He's pretty reliable.

What did you trade with him?

I just got a few bootleg shirts he made. Pretty good quality.

Sadomator and Proclamation shirts...Not bad for boots. He's pretty fast shipper too, but I try not to vouch for anyone exclusively. One person's experience may differ from another.

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

I just got a few bootleg shirts he made. Pretty good quality.

Sadomator and Proclamation shirts...Not bad for boots. He's pretty fast shipper too, but I try not to vouch for anyone exclusively. One person's experience may differ from another.

Thats good you had a sucessfull transaction with him.

I still wonder tho, why would he try and sell me 50 copies of the same demo cdr, at the cost of $2 each with shipping included to Canada.....With jewel cases, shipping alone would probally be around $60-$70 for 50 cds to Canada from the Phillipinnes....Know what I'm saying?

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

Sadomator and Proclamation shirts...Not bad for boots. He's pretty fast shipper too, but I try not to vouch for anyone exclusively. One person's experience may differ from another.

Isn't bootleg shirts some kind of Rip off?

gabalgabow wrote:

Isn't bootleg shirts some kind of Rip off?

That's a tough call to make...kinda like downloading in a way really.

worshipsatanzine wrote:

gabalgabow wrote:

Isn't bootleg shirts some kind of Rip off?

That's a tough call to make...kinda like downloading in a way really.

I think it's cool when you don't have the money, for you and your friends etc... But selling these worlwide...

worshipsatanzine wrote:

I still wonder tho, why would he try and sell me 50 copies of the same demo cdr, at the cost of $2 each with shipping included to Canada.....With jewel cases, shipping alone would probally be around $60-$70 for 50 cds to Canada from the Phillipinnes....Know what I'm saying?

Ok, I got your idea...

But the postage might not be soo expensive... For exemple, the biggest packages I sent you cost me sthg like 20 euros... And it contained more than 20 demos... In a way, the more you send, the cheaper it is for each CD in the package...

gabalgabow wrote:

But the postage might not be soo expensive... For exemple, the biggest packages I sent you cost me sthg like 20 euros... And it contained more than 20 demos... In a way, the more you send, the cheaper it is for each CD in the package...

Gab, 50 cds with jewel cases @ $100 shipping included....Whats a pro cd cost each piece to produce, at least $1.50? Then the shipping even if its 50 cents per cd, he's ONLY breaking even, so that defeats the purpose of him NOT wanting to trade his bands cdr, but too sell them ONLY for recording costs......See what i'm saying?

gabalgabow wrote:

I think it's cool when you don't have the money, for you and your friends etc... But selling these worlwide...

That's the Phillippino black market for ya tho....They bootleg dvds, cds and shirts too of course.......Lots of money to be made that way.

gabalgabow wrote:

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

Sadomator and Proclamation shirts...Not bad for boots. He's pretty fast shipper too, but I try not to vouch for anyone exclusively. One person's experience may differ from another.

Isn't bootleg shirts some kind of Rip off?

Maybe, but when items aren't actively available and you desire them..sometimes you do it. I may not agree with the bootlegging..but when you don't have shit to wear, they look real good. I am not going to spend ridiculous money on a shirt just because the band is cult.

gabalgabow wrote:

worshipsatanzine wrote:

gabalgabow wrote:

Isn't bootleg shirts some kind of Rip off?

That's a tough call to make...kinda like downloading in a way really.

I think it's cool when you don't have the money, for you and your friends etc... But selling these worlwide...

I don't agree with his tactics, but like you said...when you're broke...

worshipsatanzine wrote:

carnalsadistproductions wrote:

I just got a few bootleg shirts he made. Pretty good quality.

Sadomator and Proclamation shirts...Not bad for boots. He's pretty fast shipper too, but I try not to vouch for anyone exclusively. One person's experience may differ from another.

Thats good you had a sucessfull transaction with him.

I still wonder tho, why would he try and sell me 50 copies of the same demo cdr, at the cost of $2 each with shipping included to Canada.....With jewel cases, shipping alone would probally be around $60-$70 for 50 cds to Canada from the Phillipinnes....Know what I'm saying?

Like I said...I wouldn't sway your opinon. I wouldn't take the demo anyway....it's not really that good. :\ I had a promo laying around for review.