Collectors

I'm just wondering, do you ever get pissed of when a review starts of with " This LP is great, its got a nice package too."
I have no problem with collectors that listen to their LPs, but I get pissed off by the fuckers who just seem to collect them, nailing the picture dicks around and using the LPs like a big poster. Especially now vinyl seem popular.

christkum wrote:

I'm just wondering, do you ever get pissed of when a review starts of with " This LP is great, its got a nice package too."
I have no problem with collectors that listen to their LPs, but I get pissed off by the fuckers who just seem to collect them, nailing the picture dicks around and using the LPs like a big poster. Especially now vinyl seem popular.

I listen to all the vinyls I buy and 90% of the time I only buy vinyls or tapes for my personal collection.

Collectors to lions!

christkum wrote:

I'm just wondering, do you ever get pissed of when a review starts of with " This LP is great, its got a nice package too."
I have no problem with collectors that listen to their LPs, but I get pissed off by the fuckers who just seem to collect them, nailing the picture dicks around and using the LPs like a big poster. Especially now vinyl seem popular.

Not really related to LPs in particular, but I do get pissed by reviewers who take into accounts band pictures and artwork when rating a CD.

But I guess there's so many power metal CDs that sound alike, there's got to be a good artwork to tell a difference between these bands.

christkum wrote:

I'm just wondering, do you ever get pissed of when a review starts of with " This LP is great, its got a nice package too."
I have no problem with collectors that listen to their LPs, but I get pissed off by the fuckers who just seem to collect them, nailing the picture dicks around and using the LPs like a big poster. Especially now vinyl seem popular.

You're not making too many friends on the Nwn board, are you?

gabalgabow wrote:

You're not making too many friends on the Nwn board, are you?

I don't have a problem with anything NWN do, as their catalogue is pretty much spotless as far as quality goes (not so sure about Armour myself, but as far as other new bands go, its all good), and the guy clearly puts a considerable amount of time and effort into the majority of the releases.
I do have to wonder though about how releases seem to sell out in weeks / days. Where did all these people who apparently like these underground bands come from? (I realise the internet has had a major impact in recent years...) And if they're already familar with the old bands that are being reissued, why would they need an album a second time?

Take some recent Motorhead re-issues that Back on Black have put out. Why would anyone want them, when 1) its cheaper to buy an original second hand copy 2) the artwork isn't taken from the original source, and very often appears stretched or pixelated and 3) modern vinyl pressings are crap. They weigh half a ton, yet the flimsy paper thin copies made in the 80's always sound considerably better.

Why would anyone buy them? Because they're an idiotic collector who'll buy them without second thought, despite they already own the album 6 times (not to mention in 3 different colours, even though the fact that any colour other than black, red or blue looks SHIT. Orange? Fuck off!). Yet half of these idiots are unable to express what it is they like about the band i the first place! Its like being married to a girl for 20 years, only to realise one day that she's an ugly cow, has buck teeth, a dull personality and fucks like a moose.
I guarentee that half the people buying these collector editions will sell them off within a year, as they'll realise there is nothing they like about the band.

With collecting, the chase is always better than the catch (and that ain't just with regards to Motorhead either!).

I fucking hate shitty NWN die hard version obsession and the guys who bought it...made just one fucking version, and make enough copies of it and make able payment via cash in letter as theres lot of persons around who dont have internet cards or whatever shit....

Anyone notice how the first question about an old release tends to be 'what's its worth' these days?

Not a question about what the band sounds like, what they stood for, why they played in such a manner. But what the items monetary value might be. How much it might be worth a few years down the line. How much cash they can make off it.

christkum wrote:

Anyone notice how the first question about an old release tends to be 'what's its worth' these days?

Not a question about what the band sounds like, what they stood for, why they played in such a manner. But what the items monetary value might be. How much it might be worth a few years down the line. How much cash they can make off it.

I think you might spend too much time on the NWN board...

gabalgabow wrote:

I think you might spend too much time on the NWN board...

Its not only limited to on there (though it has taken on ridiculous proportions). Maybe its just my own problem with the internet?

What price value might the Nihilistic Holocaust webzine have? Made in 2001, founding member is still there, and limited to only one edition! BUY NOW OR CRY LATER!

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gabalgabow wrote:

What price value might the Nihilistic Holocaust webzine have? Made in 2001, founding member is still there, and limited to only one edition! BUY NOW OR CRY LATER!

It's free, just click and inject!

You lost a way to get rich Gab, ha ha.

No problem with collector stuff when I like a band a lot, why should I avoid the collector ? It's as much trendy to blindly reject them as to buy every die hard that is released before you even listened to the band.

People who buy systematically the die hard version because "it's killer packaging" suck. People who buy 10 copies of the die hard to sell them on ebay suck. But what's the problem if a huge fan of a band wants to have the limited edition with the bonus CD with demo tracks or unreleased material, or with the poster or I don't know what ?

I think that, as usual, problems come from the posers and greedies but these kinds of behaviours existed before the die hard frenzy.

ignominious torments wrote:

It's as much trendy to blindly reject them as to buy every die hard that is released before you even listened to the band.

No.
Because avoiding any die hard package is a way to save some money...
It's not only about the fame/ trend, but also the price!
Why paying more euros to get: A pins you will never wear, a poster you will never use or a photograph you will look twice a year?

I didn't read everything but I deeply hate this Die Hard Trend... Sometimes I put money into a nice looking item,right, but... i don't need a dozen version of the same items. You have ten times the same record, yes, get a life, dude.

Of course !!

I think like you, I don't buy die hard stuff anymore (I used to do sometimes, when I thought the stuff was worth the expense) cause I don't have money for that kind of thing, now I have to pay the gasoil for the car, ha ha. 20 or 25 euros is too expensive for one record only for me.... with that money I can buy 2 or 3 CD albums or 5 demo tapes or zines... It's a matter of choice.

But how people want to use their money is their own business after all. If they want to waste it like that, it's their own problem... As long as they dont piss off with their poser, arrogant attitude or rip off greedy behaviour...

ignominious torments wrote:

As long as they dont piss off with their poser, arrogant attitude or rip off greedy behaviour...

Did you already get ripped off in the die hard underwears?

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I'm just wondering, do you ever get pissed of when a review starts of with " This LP is great, its got a nice package too."
I have no problem with collectors that listen to their LPs, but I get pissed off by the fuckers who just seem to collect them, nailing the picture dicks around and using the LPs like a big poster. Especially now vinyl seem popular.

What's wrong with mentioning the package? The packaging is part of the presentation. You shouldn't make it seem more important than the music, but it's still there.

I don't understand the idea of collecting shit and not listening to it though. I listen to all my vinyls (and the ones I don't listen to, it's because I don't like them, and will probably try to get rid of them eventually).

tigi wrote:

Not really related to LPs in particular, but I do get pissed by reviewers who take into accounts band pictures and artwork when rating a CD.

How the hell do you rate it based on the band photos? That is just stupid.

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And if they're already familar with the old bands that are being reissued, why would they need an album a second time?

Because they're collectors! I don't understand buying the same album a hundred times. You can only listen to one copy at a time. I've never bought the same release two times, not any metal releases, anyway. (A couple of times I bought the 30 year special reissues of David Bowie CDs from the 70s, but only because they had lots of extra stuff, and I only had them on old, beat up vinyl).

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What price value might the Nihilistic Holocaust webzine have? Made in 2001, founding member is still there, and limited to only one edition! BUY NOW OR CRY LATER!

I bid $1! Though american money isn't worth much these days.

id say im a record collector. i dont follow around any bands in particular (i used to follow Loits like that; when i stopped i had every piece of their vinyl except one (of three) 7 inches) but i fucking love vinyl, i dont buy anything else anymore, and only look for tapes in trades.
there are a couple pieces of vinyl i still have like 2 copies of, leftover from back in the days when i still spent $$$ on distro stuff.
i get rid of my vinyl (the ones i dont like/listen to anyways) only once in a blue moon when im really broke (gonna take a bunch with me to a local label/zine fair in a couple weeks, gonna be the first time in about 4 years).. mostly because i actually listen to just about everything i own at least several times a year - about twice as often as any cds.

as for the cover - i dont want to hear 'nice artwork' in a review, rather i want to know more detailed about it, a lot of the stuff i listen to comes with DIY packaging, so im more interested in whether the artwork is block printed/stencilled/spraypainted/etc not so much in whether or not the dude/girl thinks the layout is 'nice'.

Samizdat wrote:

as for the cover - i dont want to hear 'nice artwork' in a review, rather i want to know more detailed about it, a lot of the stuff i listen to comes with DIY packaging, so im more interested in whether the artwork is block printed/stencilled/spraypainted/etc not so much in whether or not the dude/girl thinks the layout is 'nice'.

Yeah, but DIY xerox booklets have a certain aethetic as well, and if the people who did them didn't appreciate that aesthetic, they wouldn't use it. So on the other hand, i still think any layout/artwork is chosen for a purpose.

However, I am NOT saying the layout is more important than the music, because that would be stupid.

But despite all that, I still like to have some vinyl (especially older vinyls that actually sound decent), I like messing around with my record player instead of just CD players and mp3 players (which I only use because they are portable).

The only metal things I have more than one copy of are things different people sent me, or things I already bought and then somebody sent another as a trade for something.

But as for overpriced, unnecessary "die hard" editions, yeah, I can't really see the point of it all. And anyway, I'm fucking broke and would rather spend my cash on a normal version of something I don't have than a special edition of something I own three copies of already.