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Murder allegations 'hogwash,' Pickton told Mountie
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Last Updated: Tuesday, January 23, 2007 | 4:00 PM PT
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A videotaped interview played at Robert William Pickton's murder trial Tuesday shows the accused laughing at an RCMP officer's suggestion that he's linked to Vancouver's missing women's case.

Interviewing Pickton in February 2002, RCMP Staff Sgt. Bill Fordy told Pickton he faced two murder charges, and that he was being investigated on the disappearance of 50 more women missing from Vancouver.

Robert Pickton is on trial, accused of killing (clockwise from top left) Sereena Abotsway, Mona Wilson, Andrea Joesbury, Marnie Frey, Georgina Papin and Brenda Wolfe.
When asked what he thought of that, Pickton laughed and called it "hogwash," and said he was being set up.

However, a few minutes later in the interview, he told Fordy "I'm a bad dude."

He also told Fordy that he was just a "plain working guy. That's all I am. I'm a pig man. That's all I am."

Fordy's interrogation technique involved getting Pickton to talk about his personal life, his family and his friends.

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He told the officer that he was close to his mother, who died of cancer in 1979, and that he was engaged to an American woman for a short time in 1974.

He also talked about the things he values in people — honesty and hard work — and he said he can't stand people who steal.

This is only the beginning of what was a lengthy interrogation, so this presentation of evidence is expected to last for several days.

Defence lawyers have asked the jury to do more than just listen to the tapes, but to pay attention to Pickton's intellectual capacity while he speaks.

Pickton, 57, is being tried on six counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of six women from the city's Downtown Eastside. He also faces another 20 first-degree murder charges involving missing women, which will be dealt with at a separate trial.

He has pleaded not guilty to all charges, none of which have been proven in court.

Crown outlined grisly details of its case on Monday
The trial opened Monday with Crown prosecutor Derrill Prevett telling the jury that Pickton admitted he had killed 49 women and wanted to make it an even 50.

The Crown intends to prove that Pickton took the women to his pig farm in suburban Port Coquitlam, where he killed them, butchered their remains and then disposed of them, Prevett told the B.C. Supreme Court jury on Monday.

Prevett said police found personal belongings and body parts of the missing women during a massive search of the farm, including the skulls, hands and partial feet of three of the women — Sereena Abotsway, Andrea Joesbury and Mona Wilson.

He said numerous human hand bones were also found at the farm, including one identified as that of Georgina Papin, another of the six alleged victims. A tooth was also discovered, and identified as that of Marnie Frey, who had also gone missing.

All six — Abotsway, Joesbury, Wilson, Papin, Frey and Brenda Wolfe — were drug-addicted sex-trade workers who disappeared from the streets of Canada's poorest neighbourhood between 1997 and 2001.

Before the Crown began its presentation, Justice James Williams had warned the jury that some of the evidence would be shocking and upsetting.

"Where evidence is particularly distressing, there is a concern that it may arise feelings of revulsion and hostility, and that can overwhelm the objective and impartial approach jurors are expected to bring to their task. You should be aware of that possibility and make sure it does not happen to you."

Williams, who is presiding over the case, also instructed the jury to ignore all news coverage, and rely only on the evidence.

The 26 women — the first vanishing in 1995 — are among more than 60 listed as missing from the Downtown Eastside over a period stretching back to the late 1970s. What happened to the others is unknown.

Most were prostitutes and drug addicts, which limited the chances of a public outcry at their disappearances, as well as an early police response, even though some relatives and local activists had been pressing for action since the early 1990s.

The trial is expected to last about a year.

In a videotaped February 2002 interview with police, Robert Pickton said he couldn't say if any of the nearly 50 women police had on a giant poster board in front of him had ever been on his property.


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Artist sketch shows accused serial killer Robert Pickton watching RCMP video with BC Supreme Court Judge James Williams and lawyers during the second day of his trial at B.C. Supreme Court in New Westminster, Tuesday, Jan. 23, 2007. (CP / Artist-Jane Wolsak)

Pickton said of one: "She's a dark girl, isn't she? Sometimes black, sometimes Spanish."

RCMP Staff Sgt. Bill Fordy said: "I believe her name's Sarah."

Sarah de Vries went missing in 1998. While Pickton has been charged in her death, her case is not one of the six for which he is currently on trial.

In the interview shown Tuesday at Pickton's murder trial in New Westminster, B.C., Pickton described any connection between himself and missing women from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside as "hogwash."

The Crown has said it will prove that evidence of the remains of the six women Pickton is accused of killing were found either in his trailer or on his land in Port Coquitlam, B.C.. The defence asserts that Pickton did not kill or participate in the killing of the women.

Pickton told Fordy he was being set up.

"You are being investigated for upwards of 50 other disappearances and or murders," Fordy said. "In your own words, Rob, can you explain to me what that means to you?"

"What it means to me. Hogwash," Pickton answered.

There were three temporary adjournments during the playing of the interview due to technical troubles. The Crown gave jurors a transcript of the interview, which was conducted in the Surrey, B.C. RCMP detachment office -- right after his arrest on two charges of first-degree murder.

"The recording is before you as a statement of Mr. Pickton," Justice James Williams said. "The evidence is what you find. It will be for you to decide whether he spoke truthfully."

In the video, when Fordy tells Pickton police are investigating him in the cases of 50 missing women, Pickton laughs.

Pickton tells the officer that he is just "a plain working guy."

During the interview, Pickton is seen sitting in a chair against a wall, his legs straight in front of him and his hands clasped on his lap.

The interrogation continues with the officer asking Pickton to tell him about his life.

On the tape, Pickton tells him he is not sure what to say, but he adds that he is "into pigs" and that "I am a bad dude." He even said at one point that pork is his favourite meat.

He admitted to being stabbed in 1997.

Pickton then tells Fordy that if he could turn time around, he would change a few things.

But he adds that he didn't think he "did anything wrong."

The interview was conducted early in the investigation, when police had not completed their search of Pickton's property.

CTV's Kate Corcoran told Newsnet from the courthouse that so far, the jury has heard more than three hours of an 11-hour interview.

She said Pickton spoke about his deceased mother, a one-time girlfriend and his appreciation of hard workers.

The audio in the courtroom is very difficult to hear. Just before the lunch break, the media asked for a transcript so they could quote Pickton accurately, she said.

Pickton's demeanour in the courtroom didn't change as he watched himself in the video. "Very reserved, didn't move," Corcoran said.

In the video, "he never speaks directly to the investigator," she said.

The sisters of alleged victim Georgina Papin attended court.

"Sick to my stomach, my stomach started turning," Cynthia Cardinal said. "Just to hear his voice for the first time like that it's really disturbing."

Added Elana Papin: "When he giggles or laughs it a little bit disturbing."

Crown's allegations

In its opening statement on Monday, Crown counsel told the jury that Pickton made incriminating remarks during the 11-hour police interview after he was arrested in February 2002.

In lengthy conversations before and after the interview, Pickton allegedly told an undercover police officer planted in his cell that he killed 49 women and wanted to commit one more murder to make it an even 50.

Pickton also allegedly told the undercover officer who posed as a cellmate that he made his own grave by being "sloppy."

The 57-year-old faces first-degree murder charges in the slayings of six women: Marnie Frey, Sereena Abotsway, Georgina Papin, Andrea Joesbury, Brenda Wolfe and Mona Wilson.

Pickton, from suburban Port Coquitlam, B.C., also stands accused in the murders of 20 other women but no trial date has been set on those charges.

He has pleaded not guilty to all of the charges. None of the allegations has been proven in court.

While there are more members of the public in the courtroom on Tuesday, including a visiting high school class, there were fewer family members, Corcoran reported.

With a report from CTV's Lisa LaFlamme and files from The Canadian Press

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Revolver with a dildo end
Used syringe with his and woman's dna on it
2 heads, 2 pairs of hands, and two pairs of feet in a large laundry tub
the skulls were sawed in half so the hands and feet could be put inside
Freezers full of body parts
all kinds of bones
extremely bloody mattress
A body in a big duffle bag in the bottom of a garbage bin
bones
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B.C. pig farmer Robert William Pickton, who is charged with six counts of first-degree murder, admitted he had killed 49 women and wanted to make it an even 50, but he got sloppy, the Crown said Monday on the first day of the trial.


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An artist's sketch shows accused serial killer Robert Pickton in the prisoner's box for the first day of his trial at B.C. Supreme Court in New Westminster, B.C., on Monday.
(Felicity Don/Canadian Press)
In his opening remarks to the jury in a New Westminster court, prosecutor Derrill Prevett said Pickton allegedly told an RCMP officer: "'I should be on death row.'"

Pickton is charged in connection with the disappearances of six women from Vancouver's Downtown Eastside.

The Crown intends to prove that Pickton took the women to his home in suburban Port Coquitlam, where he murdered them, butchered their remains and then disposed of them, Prevett told the B.C. Supreme Court jury.

Prevett also said that Pickton had the equipment and expertise to do so.

Pickton faces a total of 26 counts of first-degree murder, but only six charges will be dealt with in the trial that started Monday. He is to face the remaining 20 murder charges in a later trial.

In his opening comments, defence lawyer Peter Ritchie urged the jury to keep an open mind, and not come to quick conclusions about the case.

He said he is planning a strong defence, and will vigorously contest the Crown's contentions. He said that not only did his client not commit the murders, but did not participate in them either.

Pickton, 57, has pleaded not guilty to all charges, none of which have been proven in court.

Body parts found on Pickton farm: Crown

Prevett said that when police searched Pickton's trailer in 2002, they found belongings of missing Sereena Abotsway, and that triggered a mass search of the farm that lasted nearly two years.

When investigators checked freezers on the property, they made a disturbing discovery, he said before Justice James Williams.

They found two five-gallon laundry buckets stacked inside each other. The buckets contained the skulls, hands and partial feet of two of the missing women, Abotsway and Andrea Joesbury.

Police later discovered both heads had bullet wounds. As well, Joesbury's personal belongings were found on the Pickton property.

Prevett also told the jury that the skull, hands and feet of another missing woman, Mona Wilson, were discovered in a plastic garbage can.

He said 14 human hand bones were also found at the farm. One was identified as that of Georgina Papin, another of the six alleged victims. A tooth was also discovered, and identified as that of Marnie Frey, who had also gone missing.

All six - Abotsway, Joesbury, Wilson, Papin, Frey and Brenda Wolfe - were drug-addicted sex-trade workers who walked the streets of Canada's poorest neighbourhood.

They disappeared between 1997 and 2001.

Warns of shocking evidence

Before the Crown began its presentation, Williams warned the jury that some of the evidence would be shocking and upsetting.

"Where evidence is particularly distressing, there is a concern that it may arise feelings of revulsion and hostility, and that can overwhelm the objective and impartial approach jurors are expected to bring to their task. You should be aware of that possibility and make sure it does not happen to you."

Williams also instructed the jury to ignore all news coverage, and rely only on the evidence. The judge also ruled that family members of the women Pickton is accused of killing, who have been subpoenaed, will be allowed into court to hear the opening arguments Monday, but that those who may be called to testify in this trial will not be allowed to attend until after they testify.

Just before the trial began, the brother of one of the victims said it would not be easy to sit through the hearings.

Ernie Crey said he would force himself to attend because he wants to know what happened to the missing women, including his sister Dawn, who disappeared in 2000. She isn't among the six at the centre of this trial.

Crey said he knows at least one family whose members cannot bring themselves to enter the courtroom.

"It's affected that family so much that members of that family won't be at the trial," Crey told CBC News as he lined up outside the courtroom, waiting to be let inside.

"This [trial] will be difficult for all the families."

Whereabouts of others unknown

The 26 women - the first of whom vanished in 1995 - are among more than 60 listed as missing from the Downtown Eastside over a period stretching back to the late 1970s. What happened to the others is unknown.

Most were prostitutes and drug addicts, which limited the chances of a public outcry at their disappearances, as well as an early police response, even though some relatives and local activists had been pressing for action since the early 1990s.

A joint Vancouver police-RCMP investigation was not launched until April 2001. It wasn't until February 2002 - after the investigation focused on the Pickton farm - that charges were laid in any of the cases. Pickton co-owned the farm with a brother and sister.

Justice Williams, who is presiding over the case, ruled last summer that the trial had to be split because trying all 26 charges at once would take too long and place an unreasonable burden on the jury.

The voir dire phase of the trial, in which the Crown and defence argue over which evidence is admissible, began Jan. 30, 2006. No jury was present and details of that phase cannot yet be published.

Careful reporting of trial

The jurors' task is unenviable as they now face months of testimony, based partly on an inch-by-inch search and excavation of the farm by police, forensic specialists and archeologists.

News organizations have been wrestling with questions of what to publish or broadcast, and how graphic the coverage should be. The CBC has decided, among other things, to offer warnings at the beginning of stories containing disturbing facts.

In court on Jan. 12, the judge made an unusual ruling designed to help the jury follow the twists and turns of the evidence.

The defence will be allowed to make a brief opening statement immediately after the Crown's opening, rather than waiting for prosecutors to wrap up their case. In its opening, the Crown outlines what it intends to prove.

One reason for the ruling is that "given the size and complexity of this case, it makes eminent sense that anything that can be done to assist the members of the jury by bringing some order to that complexity be encouraged," Williams said earlier this month.

In the ruling, he mentioned that the Crown intends to call 240 witnesses.

Relatives expected as witnesses

CBC News had learned on Friday that among those summoned as Crown witnesses are relatives of the six women Pickton is alleged to have killed.

Some family members are angry that they have been called. Witnesses are normally barred from court until after they testify so as not to be influenced by what they might hear.

Rick and Lynn Frey, father and stepmother of Marnie Frey, who disappeared in 1997, were notified on Wednesday that they must testify.

Lynn Frey said she would go to court in hope of being allowed to sit in one of 55 seats reserved for family members.

"I want to know what happened to Marnie. I don't know if I can handle it, but I want to hear it," she said.

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