The thought of the day

I guess so, I was just kidding he he.

ignominious torments wrote:

Basically what annoys me is people who play in a band, and spend more time explaining that death metal should be like that and that (following the current trend, currently the "swedish" or "old school" stuff I suppose), instead of improving their skills with their instrument and (more important even I guess) their songwriting...

It's a bit boring that they repeat something that was true few years ago,
as they're not so creative and repeat the repeatiting repeatition... But what they say was true and needed something like 4-5 years ago when Death metal was full of melodic shit that had nothing "Death"... I think I even said it a couple of time here and there... Now saying the same in another context, I'm not sure if it's so useful anymore...

It's the same for these peoples that runs bands, labels or zines and follow strictly and too closely the current trend... What's the point exactly? And when the trend will be over? lol
Being yourself often doesn't makes it close to the trends... At least not as exactly and precisely as some "Death metal" tape labels try to let us think... I know some of them since years, at least enough to know about their tastes, and it's quite "funny"... It seems fame and fashion can reveal some "funny" aspects of personality...

Yes a band claiming today that they don't play "melodic core technical emo slam fake brutal death metal" (choose the right answer) sound a bit cliché to my ears... I mean, currently deathcore, overbrutal death metal or melodic death metal like IN FLAMES are not "fashioned" types of music anymore, unlike it was five or ten years ago (if I believe some fanzines of that time I read).

It's like a black metal band who would still say today "fuck commercial scum like DIMMU BORGIR or CRADLE OF FILTH !". Come on, we are in 2010... Trends have moved far from this kind of music. Currently death metal trend is not doing something technical and "modern", I even think it's the exact opposite...

ignominious torments wrote:

Yes a band claiming today that they don't play "melodic core technical emo slam fake brutal death metal" (choose the right answer) sound a bit cliché to my ears... I mean, currently deathcore, overbrutal death metal or melodic death metal like IN FLAMES are not "fashioned" types of music anymore, unlike it was five or ten years ago (if I believe some fanzines of that time I read).

I don't agree for deathcore, since it's still very strong...
There are still MANY overbrutal bands, but they don't get much press right now... They're infesting blogspot blogs!

ignominious torments wrote:

It's like a black metal band who would still say today "fuck commercial scum like DIMMU BORGIR or CRADLE OF FILTH !". Come on, we are in 2010... Trends have moved far from this kind of music. Currently death metal trend is not doing something technical and "modern", I even think it's the exact opposite...

I don't mind spitting on Dimmu Burger or Cradle of shit, since I don't like them anyway... Trend or not, their music is too dry to be metal

The technical/ modern death metal trend is only 1 or 2 years old...

gabalgabow wrote:

ignominious torments wrote:

Yes a band claiming today that they don't play "melodic core technical emo slam fake brutal death metal" (choose the right answer) sound a bit cliché to my ears... I mean, currently deathcore, overbrutal death metal or melodic death metal like IN FLAMES are not "fashioned" types of music anymore, unlike it was five or ten years ago (if I believe some fanzines of that time I read).

I don't agree for deathcore, since it's still very strong...
There are still MANY overbrutal bands, but they don't get much press right now.

That's the point !! I guess brutal death is not as much "mediatized" than it used to be... Now the mediatization, and the trend, has moved somewhere else.

I don't know for deathcore, I had the feeling that this scene had weakened, but I believe you if you say it's still big.

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I don't mind spitting on Dimmu Burger or Cradle of shit

Same for me, I don't give a fuck about them, I don't have time to waste telling shit about them like, I need to improve my guitar and bass skills

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The technical/ modern death metal trend is only 1 or 2 years old...

Really ?! Damn I thought it was older, something like 4 or 5 years...

i post on a regional scene message board (has all kinds of musicians on it, but mostly indie and various types of rock but some metalheads, noisicians and punks too) and every couple of months some thread (usually about a noise show, or release) gets hijacked and turns into an 8 page discussion on the merits of musicality of noise (and for them noise is anything from drone to freeimprov, to power electronics).. its fucking hilarious to read some of the stuff that they come up with, but at this point (ive been posting there for a year and a half) its getting fucking annoying, ive seen at least 4 of such threads and its always the same arguments, and every single time i bring up the argument that at some point every type of music was claimed to be non-music, they come back at me with 'you really think you invented a new style?'... these days i just mock them (like 'my band got #7 on faroese mtv! and #2 on a vanuatu community radio!')..

i have nothing to add to the death metal trends discussion though, havent followed any death metal for a couple of years (but what i do see, locally is the technical crap getting bigger.. UGH!)

ps Gab, got your package on monday i think, thanks! didnt get a chance to listen to any of it yet though..

Samizdat wrote:

and every single time i bring up the argument that at some point every type of music was claimed to be non-music, they come back at me with 'you really think you invented a new style?'...

I don't really understand the point or meaning of their answer...
I think I agree with you, if you mean each kind of music was quite experimental and without boundnaries or laws when it was new... And then it became more corporate/ usual/ habit...

Now, I'm not sure at all if experimental or noise is so devoid of boundnaries... It's not new anymore (Might be even older than hard rock)... And it seems many projects do something close...

Samizdat wrote:

ps Gab, got your package on monday i think, thanks! didnt get a chance to listen to any of it yet though..

Cool,
So I could expect the tape to be released during july?

gabalgabow wrote:

Samizdat wrote:

and every single time i bring up the argument that at some point every type of music was claimed to be non-music, they come back at me with 'you really think you invented a new style?'...

I don't really understand the point or meaning of their answer...
I think I agree with you, if you mean each kind of music was quite experimental and without boundnaries or laws when it was new... And then it became more corporate/ usual/ habit...

Now, I'm not sure at all if experimental or noise is so devoid of boundnaries... It's not new anymore (Might be even older than hard rock)... And it seems many projects do something close...

what i mean is that when any new style starts (new orleans jazz, bebop, 70s punk, rock'n'roll, etc, etc) at first it is regarded as sheer noise/non-music and is ridiculed by the 'older' generation (im getting to the 'older' generation now! hahaha).. so same with noise, it might take a long time, but eventually noise will be as accepted as, lets say rockabilly, and blues is today.
noise is actually a lot older than most people realize, it started with an Italian dude - Luigi Russolo he built, and composed music for his intonarumori before the first world war. check out some of his stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFQL_NLZKXc&feature=related

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Cool,
So I could expect the tape to be released during july?

yep! im getting paid next week on friday, so ill stock up on tapes then and spend the weekend dubbing, so it should be out by the 5th or something..

Samizdat wrote:

what i mean is that when any new style starts (new orleans jazz, bebop, 70s punk, rock'n'roll, etc, etc) at first it is regarded as sheer noise/non-music and is ridiculed by the 'older' generation (im getting to the 'older' generation now! hahaha).. so same with noise, it might take a long time, but eventually noise will be as accepted as, lets say rockabilly, and blues is today.

I don't know if it will be... Some noise have no melody, no rythm, no beat,
no loop... So...

Samizdat wrote:

noise is actually a lot older than most people realize, it started with an Italian dude - Luigi Russolo he built, and composed music for his intonarumori before the first world war. check out some of his stuff: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFQL_NLZKXc&feature=related

Isn't it what was called "Musique concrete"?

gabalgabow wrote:

Samizdat wrote:

what i mean is that when any new style starts (new orleans jazz, bebop, 70s punk, rock'n'roll, etc, etc) at first it is regarded as sheer noise/non-music and is ridiculed by the 'older' generation (im getting to the 'older' generation now! hahaha).. so same with noise, it might take a long time, but eventually noise will be as accepted as, lets say rockabilly, and blues is today.

I don't know if it will be... Some noise have no melody, no rythm, no beat,
no loop... So...

you might be right, some might never get accepted.. i guess i was oversimplifying stuff haha. at least maybe after a while the HATE is going to stop at least, and it will be considered as something along the lines of death metal and house music, something that most people have a vague idea about but still dont like. but the haters encourage at least us (blue shirts) to keep doing what we are doing haha.. especially when its the punks who hate us.

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Isn't it what was called "Musique concrete"?

you might be right. to me its all noise music haha.. i got tired of splitting hairs - 'this is not harsh noise, its power electronics!' or 'its not noise rock its feedback rockabilly' or something like that
if its abrasive and not well-structured (cant pick out the parts -AABA or something) its noise to me haha
i guess this ambiguity is what I have in common with the haters

Samizdat wrote:

you might be right, some might never get accepted.. i guess i was oversimplifying stuff haha. at least maybe after a while the HATE is going to stop at least, and it will be considered as something along the lines of death metal and house music, something that most people have a vague idea about but still dont like.

I think it could turn out to be tolerated as something like music for movies, ambiant music or something like that...

agree with you guys.

as for the evolution of deaf mental, I don't know what to say, it's an endless fight about wat it should be between "progressists" and "purists". it's becoming a bit like black metal, to an extent, because there's waaay too many codes.

my two cents, but if there's anything to learn from the past decade, it's that every music genre has shown its limits, and I mean really all of them, and at this point the only groups I can still listen to are the ones who never gave a shit about styles because they either started one or moved on from it to keep their creativity alive.

I don't know if every limits have been reached, but well... What I dislike (as a guy who tries to make his own band and as a listener) are some bands hiding their lack of creativity, imagination, skills, behind excuses like "we are old school" or "only primitive raw death metal is real". Of course not all bands are like this...


Also, for me the most clever bands are those who record two or three album, realize that they said what they had to say in death metal, and then collapse to avoid recording a shit fourth album... As long as they don't reunite fifteen years later to get some money and capitalize on their cult statut

i hate people who dont know the rules of the road. i bike to work every day, and every fucking day i see both car drivers, and other bikers either disobeying the rules, or just not knowing them. with the cars, usually they dont know or care, that bikers have the same rules apply to bikes as do to cars, so often they dont yield to me when i have the right of way, or pull out/change lanes dangerously close to me (thinking that i am going slower than i am).. i already got hit once this summer, and a couple times came very close to being hit again..
with the bikers i see them disobeying stop signs and traffic lights, and not signalling their turns. stupid shit like that makes all bikers look bad, including me eventhough i obey every rule in the book.

and dont even get me started on drivers on their cellphones (its illegal here to use your phone while driving).


no wonder i need some relief when i get home after the bike ride

Haha.

No one respects the road rules in France.

I do understand your anger dude. I have the same feeling but I am with a car or a bike.

Les groupes qui ont besoin d'un label pour sortir leur démo à 50 exemplaires, c'est vraiment des branquignoles!

NIHILISTIC HOLOCAUST in league against nettles!

haha theres no nettles here (that ive come across anyways).. i do remember them though from when i was growing up.. you can make a salad out of the leaves - you have to put boiling water on it, and then htey stop stinging.

the tomato plant on my balcony started flowering the other day. cant wait till i get some tomatoes from it!

cant you do some soup with the nettles ? i heard it's good.. never tasted it. I fear to take the leaves from the soil. haha

it pisses me off when im trying to give someone/something my money, and they dont want to take it!
trying to buy a bus ticket for my bands' tour online. went through the buying process THREE fucking times, entering my credit card info etc. still nothing. its like they dont want my money. when i was calling them, they gave me 4 different phone numbers to call. fucks sake.. getting angry now.

"The solar eruption is directed right at us, and is expected to get here early in the day on August 4th," said astronomer Leon Golub of the Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics (CfA). "It's the first major Earth-directed eruption in quite some time."

I've been waiting for over a month to ride my bike again, but a part of the start circuit is fooked and now I have to wait to buy the part because it's August and the garage is on holydays. When they open again, they won't have it in stock as always, so i'll have to wait another week, and by that time both my holydays and summer will be over. I'm almost shitting myself with frustration

i miss the $5, 40-ounce (1.18 litre) bottles of 10.1% beer from the depanneurs in quebec. first time in my life i had the 'booze vs food' dilemma sorted before it even started. two of you get buzzed for 5 bucks. 6 if you splurge on some dollar store cookies.
cant wait to visit quebec again.

I like beer.

we have 12% lagers here, and even 15% stouts
but they're not sold $5.